The Spokesman

Volume 1, page 18, on November 14th - 19th in the year 1833.

This is a long article because many concepts are required to fully understand the mission of a spokesman.

November 19th from the  13th u[n]till this dateof nothing  of note has transpired since  the greatsign in the heavins this  day my <hart> is somewhat sorrow full but feel to trust in  the Lordthe god of Jacob  I I have learned in my tra vels that man is trecheous [treacherous]  and selfishbut few excep ted Brother <Sidney [Rigdon]> is a man whom  I love but is not capab[le] of  that pure and stedfast love  for those who are his benefa ctors as should posess  possess the breast of an man a   Presedent of the chu[r]ch of  Christ

this with some other little  things such as a selfish and   indipendance of mind which  to[o] often manifest distroys the  confidence of those who would  lay down their lives for him  butnotwithstanding these th ings he is <a> very great and good  man a man of great power of  wordsand can <gain> the friendsh ip of his hearrers veryquick  he is a man whom god will  uphold if he will continue  faithful to his calling O  God grant that he may for  the Lords sake Amen

the man who willeth to do well  we should extallhis virtues  and speak not of his faults  behind his back a man w ho willfuly turneth away from  his friend without a cause  is not lightly <easily> to befogiven <forgiven.>   the kindness of a man<should> is never  to be forgotten that person who never forsaketh his trus t should ever have the hi ghest place for regard in  our hearts and our love shou ld never fail but incr ease more and more and  this my disposition and  sentiment &cAmen

The above is copied directly from the LDS web site including links.

Sidney Ridgeon

An earlier revelation appointed Sidney Ridgeon a spokesman unto Joseph Smith. This was the same designation given Oliver Cowdery. Many are gifted with words and others are not. This is manifest not only by revelation, but also by the rhetoric of many who learn that they can move people with words and thus gain the honor they seek. Many may not have considered—a gift that Aaron had, for he was a spokesman for Moses. Both Moses and Enoch were slow in speech, but a spokesman is not mentioned for Enoch.

I do not suggest that Joseph was slow in speech, but coming from one who has had many hours in a sound studio recording narration, has learned that to record one slow in speech does not necessarily lack a good voice, but tires the listener with the added space between words. I edited my own voice in order to close the gaps and it did sound more fluid. To be slow in speech is often confused with a poor intelligence and thus those that are slow suffer rejection by more linguistic minds. I mention this only to inject the concept of different types of intelligence where one can help the other. One writes well and the other becomes a spokesman.

Doctrine and Covenants 63:55

And now behold, verily I say unto you, I, the Lord, am not pleased with my servant Sidney Rigdon; he exalted himself in his heart, and received not counsel, but grieved the Spirit;

The above was given to Joseph Smith about two years before he recorded his observation in his journal. Two years later Joseph still observes the nature of Sidney.

Sidney began his professional career as a Baptist preacher, but eventually converted hundreds from his congregation to the restored gospel. In 1832 Joseph Smith rebuked Rigdon for suggesting the keys have been lost, and publicly prophesied "No power can pluck those keys from me, except the power that gave them to me; But for what Sidney has done, the devil shall handle him as one man handles another."[10] In 1843 Joseph Smith suggested that Sidney Rigdon be replaced in the first presidency. After Sidney denied the charges to the body of the church the saints voted to keep him in office. Sidney had various conflicts with Joseph Smith. Sidney Rigdon was strongly opposed to polygamy and other issues within the church.[17]

After JosephÕs martyr, the body of the church selected the Quorum of the Twelve as the leading authority with Brigham Young as president. There was a schism in the church.  Rigdon led an independent faction of Latter Day Saints, originally called the "Church of Christ", but at one point was called the Church of Jesus Christ of the Children of Zion.[23][24] This sect is often referred to as the Rigdonites. The Latter Day Saints who followed Rigdon separated themselves and settled in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. On April 6, 1845, Rigdon presided over a conference of the Church of Christ, which he claimed was the rightful continuation of the church founded by Smith.[25][26] He then reorganized the First Presidency and called his own Quorum of Twelve Apostles.

In order to provide a perfect body in Christ, all the differing gifts can serve the same Christ and receive the same Spirit of justice, mercy, long suffering, gentleness, faith, charity, and kindness. The only problem is when one uses their gift to destroy out of pride, the truth becomes distorted and they loose the key of knowledge. When they loose the proper knowledge, amen to the priesthood or authority of that man. See the article on Key of Knowledge

So how can one follow the correct order of things? The Lord follows the principle of common consent. He lets a Quorum decide. They chose Bingham Young. Therefore Sidney Rigdon was obliged to follow the saints west if he was to remain in the graces of the Lord. Since he did not, the Lord will not sustain.


Frederick G. Williams

Joseph Smith continues as he writes about Frederick G. Williams:

Brother Frederick [G. Williams] is a man who is one of those men  in whom I place the greatest confidence and trust for I have  found him ever full of love and   Brotherly kindness he is not  a man of many words but is  ever wining because of his  constant mind he shall ever  have place in my heart and  is ever intitled to my confidence  Description: http://edge.ldscdn.org/ch/jsp/images/icn-new-scribe-16.pngHe is perfectly honest and upright ,  and seeks with all his heart to mag nify his presidency in the church  of ch[r]ist , but fails in many in stances , in consequence of a  lack <want> of confidence in him self : God grant that he may 

overcome all evil : Blessed be   brother Frederick, for he shall  never want a friend; and his  generation after him shall  flourish. The Lord hath ap pointed him an inheritance  upon the land of Zion. Yea,  and his head shall blossom< .  And he shall be> as an olive branch that is  bowed down with fruit :   even so ; Amen.

Joseph uses the language of God, even though he sometimes uses his own words. Also, when the Lord speaks He tends at times to hide the message to some degree in allegory. JosephÕs voice often speaks repeating the allegory of the Lord, but when he interprets, he sometimes fails to understand.

It is interesting how Joseph went to brother Fredrick and then returns to Sidney. Fredrick was referred to as one not a man of many words. This gives us a contrast between a spokesman and one who follows the Lord. Too often the spokesman leans to pride and the follower fails to understand allegory. Both have their own gifts with an accompanying weakness. The desire of the Lord is to see that the spokesman may interpret according to his gift and the follower of the Lord to learn from the spokesman. When the spokesman falls into pride or the follower of the Lord tries to interpret, the generations that fallow do not get the proper perspective and tradition develops. The Lord needs the two witnesses of the truth like we need to eyes to see in depth and dimension. The typical result is two separate approaches rather than one being a relation of the other.

Although there is no record of an excommunication, Fredrick Williams was re-baptized in August 1838. He was restored to fellowship at a church conference presided over by Joseph Smith in April 1840. Williams died at Quincy, Illinois.[3] The reason for excommunication is not clear, Joseph was not present and the reason given was FredrickÕs absence at a meeting while Joseph was in in Liberty Jail.

Excommunication was frequent and because of Protestant tradition, it was more common for political reasons. It seems that absence in those times was not unjustified and certainly not according to any revelation of the Lord. Fundamentalism did creep into the Restored Church without and reasoning from the Lord. Far too often the saints made decisions as if of the Lord. To this day it is of the same assumed policy. It is not that the Lord does not agree, but there is no first person revelation from the mouth of the Lord, but the Lord will always sustain a unanimous vote of common consent. To excommunicate, just to obtain a vote of the remaining members of a quorum, is a political maneuver and the eventual loss of the key of knowledge.

Far too often one assumes that if the Lord does not speak in objection, the decisions made are acceptable. As said above, the Lord allows common consent to rule, even if He may not like the decision. When Moses decided not to give the higher law unto the children of Israel, the Lord accepted his decision and gives a plan to save Israel in his own due time. This method is not the method of man, who wants to politically force and outcome. When a child makes wrong choices, a wise parent often sits back and waits to see if the child will learn. Only in demanding situations will the Lord enter and save one from destruction. This was most certainly the case of Abraham as he was offering his son Isaac as a sacrifice.

The Lord does not even explain, but rather lets the prophet assume that it was a test of obedience, rather than a test of wisdom. The Lord even accepts the choice as his commandment. This is a fundamental principle that the Lord fallows in the dealings with His kingdoms. When a man second-guesses the Lord, even if he is wrong, the Lord sustains and leaves only a hint as to what we should understand if we could see. We have to arise to the Lord. If we do not we follow the darkness of tradition.

Brigham Young and the Quorum of Twelve changed the ordinance of tithing by simply changing interest to income. Tradition teaches that Section 119 is a lesser commandment, but when you read it correctly it sustains a property tithe according to the Abrahamic tithe of possessions and not an income tithe according the Mosaic Law of increase. The tradition of the Protestants found its way into Mormon tradition. Because the saints sustained the Quorum, the Lord gave a revelation to Brigham Young that the Church had the keys of the kingdom, but that He would wait and redeem Zion in his own do time. The Lord ended this revelation with Amen and Amen. This expression was used three times in Psalms and one other time in the D&C 109, which was a prayer given by Joseph Smith. One cannot help but see that it was a farewell revelation until the Church would lean to rise to the Lord rather than assume its decisions were of the Lord. The redemption of Zion would have to wait.

This implied a falling away, but the saints will not believe this because Mormons think they exemplify the stone kingdom rather the iron kingdom ruling with a rod of iron. The Lord takes credit for this fall in prophecy:

Revelation 17:17

For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

This conclusion is supported by countless prophecies having a specific timeline for the Last Days. Even though we have the keys or knowledge of the Kingdom of Zion and also the Holy Priesthood, we are in a fallen state. The only way out is to redeem Zion without the hand of the Lord. We must rise to Him rather than entrench tradition. This will fulfill the prophecy of the coming Stone Kingdom that will never again be destroyed through tradition. The only way this will work is if we come to understand prophecy already given of the Lord without His voice making us understand.


Return to Sidney Rigdeon

Joseph continues:

And again, blessed be  brother Sidney, also, not withstanding he shall be high  and lifted up, yet he shall  bow down under the  yoke like unto an ass that

coucheth beneath his burthen;  that learneth his masterÕs <will> by the  stroke of the rod: thus saith the Lord. Yet the Lord will have  mercy on him, and he shall  bring forth much fruit;  even as the vin vine of the choice  grape when her clusters are  <is> ripe, before the time of the  gleaning of the vintage:  and the Lord shall make his  heart merry as with sweet wine because of him who  putteth forth his hand and lifteth him up from <out of> deep  mire, and pointeth him out  the way, and guideth his

feet when he stumbles; and  humbleth him in his pride. Blessed are his generations.  Nevertheless, one shall hunt  after them as a man hun teth after an ass that hath  strayed in the wilderness, &  straitway findeth him  and bringeth him into  the fold. Thus shall the Lord  watch over his generation  that they may be saved:  even so; Amen.

Joseph was predicting the outcome of Sidney Rigdon, but seemed to indicate his generations would be saved. Sidney Rigdon as well as Brigham Young and others probably received the Holy Spirit of Promise for which Joseph would know of the time and revelation. Such promise guarantees salvation, but one must suffer desolations for their sins until the time of redemption. The only way the Lord can dissolve this sure sign is when recipient denies the Holy Ghost or sheds innocent blood. This existed with the first Church, but was misunderstood by Protestant tradition as free grace for believing without works. One must wonder if the Holy Spirit of Promise has been withheld after Brigham Young. This would explain the silence in heaven before the hour of the Lord, when he brings judgment and desolations upon the saints for rejecting the Law of Consecration until the redemption of Zion can again be established. Who will doubt the following?

Doctrine and Covenants 70:14

Nevertheless, in your temporal things you shall be equal, and this not grudgingly, otherwise theabundance of the manifestations of the Spirit shall be withheld.

If the abundance of the manifestation of the spirit is withheld for not living the Law of Consecration, perhaps this is why we lost open revelation or the gift of the Holy Spirit of Promise. It is probably both. This is not any loss of Priesthood or the Gift of the Holy Ghost or even personal revelation. We have the keys (knowledge) of the Kingdom, but few rise to the occasion because they lack the knowledge covered over by the sackcloth of tradition.

Since this article is about the Spokesman, we need to further understand the intent of the Lord regarding the spokesman before we can rise to the redemption of Zion.

JST, Genesis 50:35

And he shall have judgment, and shall write the word of the Lord. And he shall not speak many words, for I will write unto him my law by the finger of mine own hand. And I will make a spokesman for him, and his name shall be called Aaron. 

This is basically the first reference and sets the pattern. Remember, Moses was slow in speech as was Enoch.

Exodus 4:16

And he shall be thy spokesman unto the people: and he shall be, even he shall be to thee instead of a mouth, and thou shalt be to him instead of God. 

This illustrates the relationship of one to the other. Tradition has disposed of the concept. In certain respects a patriarch could serve as a spokesman if it is in his nature to be able to explain or interpret.

D&C 100:11

And I will give unto thee power to be mighty in expounding all scriptures, that thou mayest be a spokesman unto him, and he shall be a revelator unto thee, that thou mayest know the certainty of all things pertaining to the things of my kingdom on the earth. 

The above is a reference to Sidney Rigdeon. It give us a closer view of the Lords intent. The spokesman must look to the prophet as a God and must interpret from this perspective and not from his own pride of mind. The Lord is stating that Sidney Rigdon will be a spokesmas or expound unto Joseph and Joseph will be a revelator unto Sidney. Here we see the two working as one. That was probably the intent between Moses and Aron. I is also the intent in prophecy to be an enteral concept. It is a check and balance as also a man (wisdom) and woman (intuition) see slightly different as one eye sees differently than the other. Some are right brained (artistic) and some are more left brained (logical). Trying to apply one to the other is not the point. It is only that one is an ofset difference from the other. I ofter wondered how much questioning Joseph might have directed to his brother Hyrum?

2 Nephi 3:18

And the Lord said unto me also: I will raise up unto the fruit of thy loins; and I will make for him aspokesman. And I, behold, I will give unto him that he shall write the writing of the fruit of thy loins, unto the fruit of thy loins; and the spokesman of thy loins shall declare it. 

Those who study more fully the words of Nephi will learn that the one to come will be named Joseph and that he will write the words from the mouth of the Lord and a spokesman shall declare it. The spokesman must be of the loins of Joseph or Ephraim. This implies something beyond the role of Oliver and Sydney—something to come. The Lord wanted us to understand this eternal principle that we might come to understand how the Redemption of Zion will be. Isaiah and Nephi expressed this concept more than any other prophet.

Isaiah 11:1

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots:

Isaiah 11:10

¦And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek: and his rest shall be glorious. 

2 Nephi 21:1

And there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a branch shall grow out of his roots. 

2 Nephi 21:10

And in that day there shall be a root of Jesse, which shall stand for an ensign of the people; to it shall the Gentiles seek; and his rest shall be glorious. 

Romans 15:12

And again, Esaias saith, There shall be a root of Jesse, and he that shall rise to reign over the Gentiles; in him shall the Gentiles trust.

Whether the reader will accept the interpretation or not depends on the depth of there understanding or the key of knowledge. The stem of Jesse is Jesus Christ. This is clear to most. The root of Jesse is Joseph Smith. Only a few might have written about this and most Mormons would not understand or think towards this conclusion because it is not taught as doctrine. When it comes to the rod of Jesse, some have assigned this to Joseph Smith incorrectly. If you assign this to the one mighty and strong, you are correct, but who will believe you. The Church leadership does not dwell on interpretation, thus there is no Spokesman in the Church as has been the pattern of the Lord from the beginning. We no longer even have a patriarch. We probably will not understand until the Spokesman is revealed to us again.

If Joseph is the root of Jesse the Church is a branch out of the roots of Christianity or out of the stem of Christ. Romans 15:12 states that the root of Jesse shall both rise and reign over the Gentiles. When we consider the following, we should see than Joseph Smith is the root of Jesse:

D&C 45:28

And when the times of the Gentiles is come in, a light shall break forth among them that sit in darkness, and it shall be the fulness of my gospel;

And in D&C 113: 

Doctrine and Covenants 113:5-6

What is the root of Jesse spoken of in the 10th verse of the 11th chapter?

Behold, thus saith the Lord, it is a descendant of Jesse, as well as of Joseph, unto whom rightly belongs the priesthood, and the keys of the kingdom, for an ensign, and for the gathering of my people in the last days.

The above is defiantly Joseph Smith, but not one current apostle, prophet or church lesson teaches this, thus indicating the lack of power to interpret among the twelve.

This we have:

D&C 113:3

What is the rod spoken of in the first verse of the 11th chapter of Isaiah, that should come of the Stem of Jesse? 

Behold, thus saith the Lord: It is a servant in the hands of Christ, who is partly a descendant of Jesse as well as of Ephraim, or of the house of Joseph, on whom there is laid much power.

Given first in Isaiah and the D&C, he will be last. When you compare on whom there is laid much power, with holding a scepter of power from the following:

D&C 85:7

And it shall come to pass that I, the Lord God, will send one mighty and strong, holding the scepter of power. 

You should now see that the one mighty and strong would be the rod of Jesse that should come after the root of Jesse even though mention first.

This Rod of Jesse will be the spokesman for the Root of Jesse. Those who cannot see this are blinded by tradition and do to a lack of a Spokesman, Patriarch, or Interpreter in the Church. The Lord was hinting of this relationship from the beginning. Since prophecy is given in allegory and we have not a Spokesman, we remain in darkness, even though we have the key of knowledge—the noonday of revelation. Having so many latter day revelations form Joseph Smith without a Spokesman to interpret prophecy given, means that tradition rules and one such as I has to write an interpretation because there a total lack of discussion in priesthood quorums. Individuals learn through idolatry to speak only according to tradition, thus keeping the church in darkness.

The question will arise in some, is Samuel Louis Dael that Spokesman? The answer can only come forth when the following verses are fulfilled:

D&C 85:8

While that man, who was called of God and appointed, that putteth forth his hand to steady the ark of God, shall fall by the shaft of death, like as a tree that is smitten by the vivid shaft of lightning. 

Some writers in past leadership claim this has already transpired and give certain events at the time of Joseph Smith to prove such an interpretation. No one has fallen by the shaft of death and at the same time tried to keep the truth from coming out. The ark is the sacred truth and to put oneÕs hand forth to steady tradition in order to keep it from falling, is the interpretation.

If one puts forth his hand to stop evil does not make sense with the above, although the one who does this very thing will claim his intentions are such to stop a false prophet.

Much more could be said regarding the spokesman, but the spirit constrains me at this time. If there was a sealed portion withheld from Joseph Smith, perhaps it was because the gentiles that received the light will shortly there after reject it. If the light is that of Enoch or the Law of Consecration given to Joseph Smith, the Church has fallen from heaven.

Thus,

Doctrine and Covenants 65:6

Wherefore, may the kingdom of God go forth, that the kingdom of heaven may come, that thou, O God, mayest be glorified in heaven so on earth, that thine enemies may be subdued; for thine is the honor, power and glory, forever and ever. Amen.

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